50 Movie Plot Holes and Paradoxes

News NP Horton 8/16/2013 at 7:58AM

Even the best films have their flaws. Here's Nick's list of 50 movie holes and unexplainable paradoxes...

The suspension of disbelief is crucial to a film's success. Without it, we’d just spend the entire time going, "That couldn’t happen!" which would make watching movies one of the more irritating pastimes we could do. However, sometimes the internal logic of films stretches credulity so much, you can’t but sit up and take notice.

Here are 50 of the finest examples where things don’t quite make total sense. Some you definitely know, some you might not, and some aren’t the giant plot holes they’re made out to be. We approach all of this from a position of love: we might be being nit-picky, but we do enjoy most of the movies here. So read on, and add your own in the comments.

PLEASE NOTE: There are spoilers here. Check the name of the film, and if you haven't seen it, don't ready the entry!

1. Lord Of The Rings: Eagles

The following is a common complaint in Lord Of The Rings: "Hey Gandalf, here’s a thought – why don’t you just get your giant eagle mates to fly you into Mordor and drop Frodo/the ring-bearer off at Mount Doom?"

Yes, it does seem obvious. Yes, it would have solved their problem of getting into Mordor quite easily. But here are a few issues with this. First off, you think Sauron might notice giant eagles flying into his domain, so you still need to create a distraction, like Aragorn at the gates. Secondly, the Eagles are doing their own thing. It’s not their war, they're just helping out their mate Gandalf.

And as an internet commenter pointed out elsewhere (I can’t remember where though, sorry), there’s a big difference between asking your mate for a lift into town in his car, and asking him to take you to Spain or the fantasy equivalent…

2. Back To The Future Part III: The extra DeLorean

So, this is most likely one of the first plot holes many of you would ever have noticed. Marty arrives back in 1885 in a DeLorean. Sadly, the time machine springs a leak and loses all its fuel – gasoline proving hard to obtain in the 19th Century. Cue he and Doc creating an ingenious and ridiculous plan to power the DeLorean via a steam train, and various rail hijinks en-route. But: why didn’t they just dig up the fully-fuelled DeLorean the Doc had buried in the mineshaft awaiting his 1955 counterpart? Timey-wimey, wibbly wobbly stuff, I guess. More BTTF paradoxes can be found here.

3. The Shawshank Redemption: The poster

Who put the poster back in place after the daring escape in The Shawshank Redemption? Andy spent months on that tunnel, and covered his tracks thanks to a poster. The hole is only discovered through an unlucky throw of a chess piece. But how did he attach it in place from inside the tunnel? How?

Well, it’s pretty simple really – he probably only stuck it to the wall via the top and let it fall down in place naturally. There you go, not just showing you plot holes, but solving them, too!

4. The Terminator: Why doesn't Skynet just send more Terminators back?

You'd think Skynet would want to make sure the job was done. But no, it just very occasionally sends one solitary Terminator back in time and then assumes it’s done completed its mission - a slightly risky strategy for a supposedly infallible sentient machine one might think. It’s not as if there’s a shortage of Terminators lying around. However, my favourite answer to this was suggested by critic Devin Faraci, and neatly ties in Terminator Salvation into the franchise in a way that makes it suck a hell of a lot less. Skynet is damaged at the end of Salvation, almost beaten in fact. It’s been driven to extreme action – using the last of its power to send one Terminator back in time in a desperate attempt to destroy the future, and thwart its own destruction. I really wish they’d put this on-screen.

5. The Avengers: Why don’t they bother keeping an eye on Bruce Banner?

So, SHIELD takes the trouble of taking their top agent, Natalia, off a vitally important mission (right in the middle of a dangerous situation too, and violating what appears to be Russian sovereignty with the threat of blowing up the building with missiles) and sending her to India with a full squad of heavily armed soldiers in order to ask Bruce Banner to come in.

They’ve also spent millions researching and actually building a cage for his alter-ego. They know exactly what Hulk can do. Yet once they’ve got him onboard, the top-secret, state of the art HeliCarrier, they let Bruce casually wander around with no restraints, and no one watching him – free to be shocked by Tony Stark into potentially Hulking out. Guess they thought Banner was a really cool guy once they met him in person.

6. Star Trek: What was Nero doing for 25 years?

Nero arrives in the Star Trek past all-guns blazing. It’s one of the finest sci-fi action scenes ever committed to film, and is responsible for much of the goodwill the 2009 Star Trek garnered. Nero has the technology and the motive to wreak havoc across the galaxy. So what does he do? Apparently sits around in his mining ship for 25 years waiting for Spock to arrive. Uh, ok…

Now actually, there’s a deleted scene which explains this plot hole – Nero’s ship is damaged from Kirk Senior's heroic sacrifice, and he's therefore unable to prevent his capture by Klingons. So he then spends a good couple of decades in a prison. However, with it out of the film, it does make you wonder. I’m choosing to ignore some of the other plot holes in Star Trek – it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

7. Ocean's 11: fake money

The ultimate robbery has been committed – Ocean has successfully tricked Benedict into thinking the entire vault has been rigged with explosives ready to detonate unless he gives them all the dosh. Benedict agrees, but not without calling in a SWAT team to secure the vault and getting his men to intercept the van with his money in. Which they duly do, only to find out that the money has in fact been switched for hundreds of flyers of a lovely Las Vegas night lady.

Meanwhile, the SWAT team are actually Ocean’s crew – who then sneak the real money out. The fake money is the key to it all here, but stop and think for a moment – just how did they switch it in the first place? There’s literally no time for it to happen – and no way it could. Of the three thieves who get into the vault, Yen smuggles his way inside in a tiny cart, while Ocean and Linus rappel themselves down a shaft laced with lasers. Even Soderbergh admitted on the commentary he was stumped on how it was done, so you’re in good company.

8. Iron Man 2: The Whiplash master plan

In a stodgy Iron Man 2, Whiplash’s attack on the Monaco Grand Prix is a real highlight – and a heart-pounding action scene. Posing as a pit crew member, Whiplash gets onto the track and directly attacks Tony Stark, who just happens to be driving a racing car, after impulsively deciding he wanted to and chucking his driver out (probably someone who would have won the race like Vettel). So how did Whiplash know he was going to do that?

Tony Stark didn’t even know he was going to do that until moments before. Is it another case of a villain magically being able to see into the future and being able to plan for everything? (see Skyfall entry later on). Well, actually, I think not. Whiplash knew Tony was likely to be at the Grand Prix – it’s a lavish event after all. And he knew if he caused some shit, Tony would respond – leading to the same fight on the track. He just got lucky with Tony deciding to drive.

9. Edward Scissorhands: Ice blocks

It’s a truly beautiful moment in one of Tim Burton’s most magical and twisted fairy tales – Edward Scissorhands creates artistic wonders in the attic of his home. Just one small detail though, where did he get the ice from? I recently had a long and heated argument about whether Edward Scissorhands was a cyborg or not (I was in the wrong as I believed he was), and this point about the ice started it. So as a warning to you reading this, discussing plot holes can ruin friendships.

10. Raiders Of The Lost Ark: Indy saves Hitler

Indiana Jones, hero of the Nazi Third Reich. Why? Well if Indy had just stayed at home during Raiders Of The Lost Ark, World War II would probably never have happened. By his getting involved and reacting to events, he sets in motion a chain of situations that saves Hitler’s life. Belloq would have eventually uncovered the location of the Well of Souls (he was after all a good archaeologist, if a little misguided) and sent the Ark back to Berlin. Which is where Hitler would have opened it and had his face melted by the Angels of Death. Of course, there is a very fair argument that Belloq would still have opened it pre-Hitler anyway, and thanks to Indy being there, the Ark was prevented from being loosed on the world (and put into storage instead). So maybe Indy isn’t a friend of the Third Reich after all.

11. Jurassic Park: Geography

It’s a famous one – the geography of Jurassic Park makes absolutely no sense. Ravines appear from nowhere during the T-Rex attack, and the fact that the T-Rex can somehow get inside the visitors' centre are questions with no logical answer. But the truth is that it doesn’t matter. It’s why we let plot holes go in the majority of cases – because the film works. Spielberg created such an impressive sequence that it doesn’t need to make sense in the real world. It’s true movie magic, and even knowing that it’s not really possible fails to detract from how it makes you feel. So really I guess what this list is about is defining good filmmaking. If a plot hole feels so stupid that it makes you enjoy the film less, than the director has not done their job. You should be able to acknowledge, but still enjoy.

12. Cars: Who built the world?

There’s a whole world built vaguely along human lines, but inhabited by cars. Who built it? Why do they need towns? I like to think that there’s a whole Planet Of The Apes subplot which will be revealed one day where humans built hyper-intelligent cars who eventually overthrew their masters and then proceeded to remake society along the only lines they knew how – human civilisation. Leaving us with a mockery of our own world. A lot of people also think they’re being clever and ask how they reproduce, but that’s a silly question. They get made in factories. However, the very best solution to this plot hole can be found in the Pixar Theory. If you’ve yet to have the pleasure, I suggest you make a cup of tea and look it up.

13. Transformers: The Allspark creates killer Transformers

So in the critically adored Transformers (well adored by the standards of the series), the Allspark, the creator of Transformer life, is used to bring everyday human mechanical objects into life. These same newly created Transformers then proceed to go on a murderous rampage straight away, suggesting that being evil is in the Transformers' nature. Does this make Optimus Prime and his Autobots some sort of weird hippy peace living cult then? And if Transformers just want to kill, then we should atempt to destroy them – not work with the aliens. This is not the Transformers I was brought up on.

14. The Karate Kid: The illegal kick

The original Karate Kid film tells the terrible tale of how cheating will win you competitions and should be condoned. Keep this movie away from impressionable youngsters, who may decide this is the lifestyle to aspire to. Why such scorn for what is to many a treasured film from their youth? Well, time and time again throughout the film’s karate tournament, we are told that kicks to the face are illegal, and will not be tolerated. How does Daniel-san defeat his nemesis Jonny in the final? By a crane kick to the face.

15. The Hangover: Doug just sits there

So after numerous madcap escapades (which definitely wouldn’t get old and tired over the course of two ‘hilarous’ sequels) Phil, Stu, and Alan finally realise Doug had been on the roof of the hotel the entire time. They rush to his rescue and find a very sunburnt but basically okay groom-to-be. The wedding is saved! Now, I don’t know about you, but I remain very sceptical about his survival up there. It’s an average of 41 degrees Celsius in July over in Vegas, with highs of 49 being recorded.

In an exposed space with no shade and no water, for several days, I rate Doug’s chances of making it out alive as very low. If by some miracle, he was still breathing, dehydration would have made him a jabbering wreck, hallucinating wildly and probably leading him to jump from the roof in despair at his abandonment. Not so funny now, is it?

16. Independence Day: Mac compatible aliens

They have travelled across space in order to harvest our planet of its natural resources. The best and brightest of humanity are no match for their initial onslaught, and our cities are destroyed. It’s our darkest day. Luckily, however, the alien invaders of Independence Day are Mac compatible and we’re able to upload a virus and win. Yay! Now anyone who uses Mac products will know that  nothing is compatible with Macs that isn’t Apple produced. Which begs the question – is that what Steve Jobs was really doing back in the 90s? Sub-contracting firms to build vast star ships under the Apple banner? Still, it all made perfect sense to me as an 11 year old boy watching the film for the first time. And honestly, that’s what really matters.

17. Avatar: Go back home

Pandora is saved. Go back home to your dying planet you humans! I like to believe that yes, the defeated humans did reflect on what they had done, and maybe decided to value life and nature above commerce and needless industrialisation. After all, that was the subtle message James Cameron was trying to teach us. But even when watching the film for the first time, all I could think was, won’t the surviving military just go back to their ship in orbit and nuke the now clearly hostile and dangerous natives? Because that’s what I would do. Of course, they might not have had weapons aboard, and the plot of the sequel may well be the return of the angry earthlings. In which case, ignore this.

18. Harry Potter: not the brightest wizard

Dear Harry Potter, while I respect your claims to be the ‘chosen one’ without ever really seeing (or reading) evidence to prove this (instead we just get told repeatedly. Ah well, all hype and that), and admire your ability to foil villains plans by basically overhearing them while wandering around in the dark, there is one thing I cannot respect. Your decision to ignore that you had a proven, working time travel device (see your adventures with the Prisoner Of Azkaban) and let hundreds (if not thousands) die over the subsequent years, including close friends, when you could have easily saved them is pretty poor. Screw you Harry Potter.

19. The Amazing Spider-Man: Lizard’s rubbish plan

Honestly, does creating lizard men make any sense to anyone? Why is he doing it? Does he even know? In fact, the entire character is just completely all over the place and never really defined – can he control when and how he turns into a lizard? Is he simply a lackey of the unseen Norman Osborn? How can he find time to go and fight Peter Parker at his high-school when he’s on a strict evil plan time-scale? But none of the Lizard issues annoy me as much as when Peter dresses up as Spider-Man to keep his identity secret and then goes around taking pictures on a camera which is clearly marked PETER PARKER.

20. Star Wars: Not even target practice?

It’s a classic. And it’s a classic for a reason. In Star Wars, R2D2 and C3PO don’t exactly make a secret getaway after the Rebel blockade runner is captured by the Imperials. The film notes their escape pod hurtling down to Tatooine. But do the Imperials shoot it? No, not even for target practice. Not even due to the fact they’ve just been engaged in a firefight against heavily armed rebels who are suspected of hiding stolen plans for a secret ultimate doomsday weapon, and which self-same plans they’ll most definitely try and get off the ship. How? Probably in an ejected escape pod. No, it’s probably just a malfunction.

21. E.T.: Why doesn’t E.T. just fly after his spaceship?

The iconic bike scene proves E.T. is basically magic and can levitate objects. So… why doesn’t he just levitate himself right at the beginning of the film and get back onto his spaceship? He’s really close to it! Poor E.T.

22. Batman & Robin: Its, er, one flaw

Den Of Geek is well known for its fondness for Batman & Robin. It’s a cruelly dismissed mini-masterpiece of comic camp (don't worry, he's not being serious - Ed), but there’s one thing even we writers on the site can’t accept. If Mr Freeze really does have a terrible condition which has meant he has to lock his body in what amounts to a walking freezer unit, for fear of over-heating and dying, then why is he smoking a cigar? That’s just asking for trouble.

23. Iron Man: Stane’s secret plan

So Obadiah Stane spends years slowly and subtly maneuvering himself into a position where he can take over Stark Industries. He must have been planning this for decades, first befriending Howard Stark and then mentoring young Tony throughout his life. Guiding him where appropriate but always with a incredibly long view to one day usurping the throne. It’s an Iago-worthy shadowy plan – accelerated only when Stane arranges a hit on Tony as he finally makes his move. But Tony survives, and provides Stane with one more incredible piece of technology. It’s then Stane reveals his master plan, one which he finally rid himself of the thorn in his side and control the world’s supply of weapons – all with no one realising. Yep, he builds a massive metal suit for himself and goes mental with it in downtown Los Angeles.

24. Skyfall: Silva’s gift of prophecy

Was this the straw that broke the back of the 'villain meaning to get caught' plot device? Perhaps, as no matter how fine a film Skyfall is (and it is), Silva’s ridiculous plan just gets even sillier on re-watches. Even if we buy into the fact that his plan was first to attack M but not kill her – destroying her office, leak the agents' identities and therefore get the government to summon her to a hearing and dismiss her in disgrace, we then have to accept that this was all to lead her into an exposed position for him to kill her – that two henchmen give him a fake police uniform backs up the fact that the hearing was always the target. But even ignoring that he could plant some explosives to bring down a tube train directly on top of Bond mid-chase, how did he know he would be captured when he was? What if Q took ages deciphering the code? He would have missed the court hearing! Oh well, it’s still a beautiful film.

25. Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes: Never questioning the monkey

Not once - once! - in five years together does Freida Pinto’s character decide to ask James Franco why he has a super intelligent child-ape in his house. There’s nothing else to say.

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An Iron Man 2 ditto head. YAWN!

Plot hole number 48 is explained in Toy Story 2, by the second Buzz... They are ordered to freeze when confronted by humans

2. Back To The Future Part III: The extra DeLorean
The fluids were drained for storage for 75 years. Doc even mentions as much in the flick after digging it up. You don't know what a plot hole is, do you?

The Harry Potter "plot hole" isn't really much of one, as Dumbledore clearly explains to Hermione and Harry before they use the Time Turner: "You mustn't be seen." Why? This would create a paradox. If they try and change events, they could end up destroying all of time and space. The threat of a paradox is a staple of any fiction involving Time Travel. It's why Marty buying the sports almanac in the future creates an alternate 1985 when he takes it with him to 1955, where Biff gets his hands on it.

And if you really want to get all mind-bendy (or is it Wibbly-wobbly, Timey-wimey?), have a look at Doctor Who. In that universe, Time Travel is pretty much the core of the series. But even then, The Doctor realizes that there are fixed points in time: Events that MUST happen and can't be changed - The volcano at Pompeii, the destruction of the Mars base, the Last Great Time War and even his own "death."

While Harry and Hermione can go back and make slight changes - saving Buckbeak and freeing Sirius - the Battle of Hogwarts is a fixed point in time. It simply MUST happen, and no amount of Time Turning can change it. Good and Evil MUST face off in a final battle, and sacrifices MUST be made.

I just assumed the ship in "Man of Steel" had machines to make clothing. Not unreasonable on a star ship, like replicators. I suppose they could have had Jor-El's hologram explain that he modified the system with a vibrant color scheme because those colors often appear on Earth flags (France, UK, US, Australia....)

As for Rosebud. Why do we assume he was alone? He was rich so there could have been a nurse sitting by his bedside (the one you see running in is responding to the monitoring nurses calls for assistance). There might also be a recording device off to the side, that Kane was musing for posterity. Maybe he had said Rosebud several times over the last few days, asking for Rosebud from each of his care givers but being too out of it to explain what it was that he wanted, it was his last words to many people.

The story in which the time turner is introduced creates a paradox. They use time travel to alter events, that leaves the door open to larger manipulations.

If they wanted a device that allowed for attending multiple classes in a day, then a non-time travel device would have been a better choice, like a machine that makes copies of the person, the copies disappear at sundown and the original gets all of their memories. Or a tape recorder to listen to the class later.

Or better: Gasoline was commercially available in 1885. They would have to go to New York to get it, and perhaps have to refine it a bit, but it existed for use.

#50: Midnight is not a clock-specific time; it's a subjective approximation based on an object's position relative to the sun. That is, when the Mogwai has gotten as far away from the sun as he is going to get and for as long as he's still farther away than he is close to it, don't feed the mofo.

The Chekov "plot hole" has been talked about for years and dismissed as "not a plot hole" for years. When Chekov becomes a regular on TOS there is no mention a transfer or anything specific to his appearance. Chekov could have easily met Kahn off screen.

The Terminator one is covered in the first film.
Kyle Reese says something about "we won the war", but Skynet was able to send a Terminator back in order to prevent that from happening.

No explanation how it pumped out the T-1000 several years later, but hey, fate is what we make it.

What? Woman Terminator?
No. Didn't happen.

kane's manor was gargantuan and produced a lot of echo, so even if he whispered that word SOMEBODY would have heard

I don't think the Usual Suspects is as much a plot hole. *spoliers* Soze was probably picked up shortly after the incident on the boat, where he and his lawyer use connections to put pressure on the cops to release him. He didn't know that there was a surviving member of the Hungarian Crew in the hospital as his body was discovered that morning in a drain pipe, while Soze was in custody and not in contact with his lawyer. There was only one person who knew he was Soze and so he had to stick his neck out to get him, which involved the line up. Being in the line up and getting arrested meant that he had to keep the police from looking too close at Verbal Kent. So he stayed in character while waiting to be released. It isn't until near the end of movie I believe that he is told he posted bail twenty minutes ago and was free to go. He is out of the station as soon as Agent Coullian lets him go AND he has convinced the cops that Dean Keaton, a dead man, was actually Soze. Thereby, in his mind, completing what he had set out to do; retain his anonymity.

Interesting article, but you didn't understand Back to the Future III. I doubt you even saw it from the beginning to the end.
Doc and Marty couldn't use anything from the hidden DeLorean because that would have resulted in Marty disappearing since the DeLorean could not be available in the future.
Back to the Future trilogy has scientific issues, like old-theory physics, like disappearing if you change the past of your parents (changing the past isn't possible as far as we know - if you manage to travel back to the past, which is theoretically impossible, and change some things, you don't disappear!), but the one of the DeLorean isn't a plot hole, nor a mistake.
Please, be careful.

On Kane, for years I thought the same thing about how anybody could know what his last words were until I watched it a couple years ago. During the interview segment with the butler, he says he heard Kane say Rosebud twice, once after Kane trashes the room when his wife leaves him and again on his deathbed saying he was in the room at the time of Kane's death. You just don't see him then. A little detail I never caught for a long time.

Well i have to give you alot of them but here are the ones i just have to pick out.

2. Back to the future. Well IF you pay attention in the first part labeled "I" you will notice that if marty's parrents don't shag up, marty goes bye bye. Same basic principal, change the premise for martys arrival to that time will make him disapear and only exist in the way and in the time new circumstances allow, IE no hidden time machine = marty stuck in time.

3. Shawshank redemption. The next time you realize the plot hole you wanted to post, wasnt a plot hole, for heavens sake leave it out >.<

39. Man of steel. So you can accept the premisses that a shout ship conveniently has the tech to repopulate earth with Kryptonians, but the means to create a suit based on a projection of Kal's fathers instructions is outrageous ????? Whaaaaaaaaat ?

45. G.I. Joe. You see a movie with that title, based on actionfigures, and you expect the physics to be coherent ??

Honorable mention
12. Cars. You either accept the premis of the movie or you don't watch it.. honestly. And don't pull the pixar theory, if you can accept that much of a silly stretch, then you truely are just trolling here.

How come nobody ever gets this!? The Time Turner doesn't create paradoxes! You cannot change the past with it! It's directly shown in the book and movie that Harry and Hermione's future selves were in the past even when it was the present (that makes sense right?) The stone thrown through the window, the successful patronus charm?

They didn't reverse Buckbeak's death because he never died. They were there during the first pass along to rescue him, but they didn't see that part at the time (nor did the audience). So the point of the time turner is that you can travel to the past, but you can't change it.

They couldn't use the stored DeLorean because then Marty wouldn't have had access to it in 1955. BUT they could have unsealed the cave and re-inforced the fuel line and/or added a note inside to BRING BACK EXTRA GAS!

That wouldn't stop them from using it to grandfather out other events, though, would it? The whole purpose of it is to change events that would otherwise be unchangeable, so why don't they? Why is the whole Buckbeak situation different from literally any other one?

You are arguing technicalities in a movie where little monsters reproduce by getting wet and are turned to goo by only a few seconds of sunlight.

How is the flying car any more silly than the "Beauty School Dropout" sequence? Is it because it's not framed as a dream sequence?

What are you talking about, Cypher wasn't plugged into the matrix? Yes he was. That's how he was meeting with Agent Smith. I'm not sure what is confusing here?

#13 The Allspark brought human technology to life. It was stated earlier in the movie that Modern human technology was created by studying Megatron. So human technology turns into new Decepticons.
#16 Same thing...human computer tech was reverse-engineer from the alien ship.
(I'll defend my conclusion for #13, but, yeah, #16 is weak. :-)

Fun list! One of my favorites that no one has mentioned yet is in "Batman Begins." There is that scene in Ras Al Gul's dojo: Bruce is asked to execute a prisoner in order to complete his induction into the League of Shadows. Bruce takes the moral high ground and refuses to kill. The problem: in order to get out of the situation, he goes ahead and BLOWS UP THE DOJO, killing like 50 guys in the process. Way to stand by your convictions, there, Bruce.

Some of these actually have explanations.....

The Ministry of Magic was in charge of storing all of the time-turners, and they were all kept in a Department of Mysteries storeroom. Hermione returned her time-turner at the end of PoA, and all of time-turners were later destroyed by Luna Lovegood in the OofP.

Two words: The force, but by who though?. Vader may have because he knew it would eventually lead him to Skyalker. Anakin could see future events, so Vader can too, and the force may have had some sort of influence on it.

Have you even seen these movies? C3P0 and Vader have zero verbal interaction in the original trilogy whatsoever. When Vader does see him in Bespin, he would just be another protocol droid. C3PO even ended up in pieces because he wanted to talk to another protocol droid.

Added bonus: Luke's Jedi training being so short.
This always used to bother me, but there is actually an easy explanation. Time and distance. We don't know how long Han hid in the asteroid, the distance to Cloud City, or the distance to Dagobah. We just assume everything is close together and it takes place in a short amount of time.

"Agent Natalia"? Did you actually saw Avengers? Another piece of crap...

good point


ok, now you are just grasping at straws...theres nothing to back up your theory

see, youre guessing too...these rebuttals should be based on concrete facts provided in the movie...or, postulations of given events

I've got one. The new GI Joe Movie last night. Stormshadow who is like 5 when his master is killed by Zartan who is like 40. Present day Zartan would be like 80

I think it's clear that he wouldn't kill the man in cold blood. There wasn't a trial or anything. Also, that man is not threatening Bruce's life. In destroying the dojo, he is creating a distraction to escape from a large number of individuals that are threatening his life. He rescues Ra's, and the others escape before the who thing goes down. He doesn't kill 'like 50 guys' in the dojo, and if any did die it's clearly not in cold blood.

In the Hobbit the Eagles save Gandalf and the dwarves from the Goblins so that might be the reason they save him again?

The movie was a little washed out, there may have been yellow, in which case I would point to China, Germany, and numerous flags around the word that emboss their logos with gold.

Well, if Bruce's vow not to kill only applies to people who are no threat to him, it's pretty meaningless. He's about to become a vigilante justice fighter -- he will be putting himself in many situations where bad guys will threaten his life or safety, like the ninjas in the dojo did. But starting an explosion that kills a bunch of them is the type of thing that would normally be against Bruce's self-appointed "rules," as I always understood them. I just found it particularly funny that he did that in the very scene where he explains those rules in the first place.

I hear what you're saying, and if you want to interpret the scene as everyone getting out of the dojo unharmed (except for the fake Ra's, who is clearly killed) and then wandering off instead of pursuing Bruce, you can. I will only say that was not the impression I got from the scene.

This is an awesome list and a great read. Nice work.

The biggest plot hole in 'Grease' is Stockard Channing's pregnancy.
The whole film takes place on the first day of school, and the last day of school, except for one scene.
On the first day of school, Stockard Channing and Jeff Conaway decide to do it in the back of the car even though their only condom has broken.
Then, in a scene we assume is a month or so later, Channing glumly announces that she's missed her period, and may be pregnant.
On the last day of school, while riding the rollercoaster, she happily declares that she isn't really pregnant after all.
The school year is ten months long !

My question about Shawshank was a different one for the poster... when Andy learns that Tommy's old roommate admitted that he killed Andy's wife, Andy goes to the warden to try and get free. The warden dismisses it all, and throws Andy in solitary. But what if the warden, for whatever reason, decided that he SHOULD cut Andy loose? (The warden was a real baddie, but go with me on this.) For whatever reason, the warden has used Andy enough and decides it's better for him to go. So, they find the guy, he confesses, and Andy is free. On "move out" day, he takes down his poster and....oh, look, a giant tunnel that Andy's been digging for 19 years. Surely that might be enough for the warden not to let Andy go, or at least stir up all kinds of legal issues.

Your number 25, "never questioning the monkey". Chimps are apes dumbass

For the Harry Potter one...in the books it says, that in the fight in Order of the Pheonix, all the Time Turners were destroyed when they crashed into them. Something the movie doesnt so...

It has been said that the suit Superman wears in Man of Steel is basically an undergarment. There's an armor suit that is supposed to go over it. Everyone wears those undergarments (though the color question I cant answer).

#18 - Harry Potter not using time travel. This is actually just one example of a mistake many bad fantasy / sci-fi writers make (a category to which JK certainly belongs): endowing characters with superpowers or powerful devices without thinking what that might do to your storylines. I call it the "Beam Me Up, Scotty" syndrome - when Star Trek invented the "Transporter" system for instantaneously moving someone from one place to another, it became kind of difficult to logically put a character in danger. Ever notice how Captain Kirk, when facing danger, almost NEVER simply whipped out his communicator and said "Get me out of here"? Star Trek had to twist plots into pretzels to provide plausible reasons for that (usually, the ship's "shields" were inconveniently up right when he needed transportation). Similarly, JK imbued her characters with FAR too many open-ended magical powers (not just time-travel) and it made much of their later actions inexplicable.

6. Star Trek: What was Nero doing?
It's shown in a deleted scene that Nero and his crew were captured by Klingon's and held in a prison camp for most of those 25 years.

#21. ET isn't feeling well at the start of the movie, so may not be able to levitate himself.

Though i see your point of your flaw in Star Wars, you do not understand why they didn't shoot the pod. Granted, it might've been a malfunction to their eyes, but they might've brought it up because they wanted them to know where the plans were. And whose to say that they might not have wanted to make more?

I don't think you could be kept in prison for the crime of trying to escape the prison you were wrongly imprisoned in.

In Transformers they say that the government found Megatron and froze him. Most technology since then has been reverse engineered from Megatron. That is why the robots are evil when the AllSpark sparks them; they are part of Megatron.

As for Darth Vader not remembering C-3P0, I'm gonna throw down a gauntlet. First, C-3PO's memories of the prequels were erased (how we envy the protocol droid!) so C3P0 would not know Anakin and Vader are one the same. As for Vader/Anakin he was not reunited with C3Po until Empire in which case HE DID. C3PO stumbled in the room w/ Stormtroopers Boba Fett and Darth Vader. Shot on sight. Chewie rescues c3PO from being melted down and during capture put his attention to repairing c3PO.

I always thought the Terminators were sent minutes apart, maybe even seconds.

Incorrect. It takes place over an ent

This is very late, but whatever happens when using the time turner had already happened. As Harry explains "...because, well, I'd already done it!" for example, if you were to be killed while in the past, that's that. Your past self will eventually, and inevitably, time travel back as well, then will die in the past. It's all a fixed event. They aren't necessarily changing events, they're making sure that they happen.

one more interesting theory: Chewie goes crazy as Han is about to be frozen. Boba Fett raises his weapon, Vader grabs and forcibly lowers the weapon. Chewie is just a wookie to Vader. Wookies were expendable slaves to the Empire. Why would he care? Who is on Chewie's back at the time? C3-PO. There was good in him.

There *is* an answer for the Beauty and the Beast one, albeit a bit of a stretch. The lyrics say that "it's ten years since we've had anybody here, and we're obsessed". Whose to say that there were any guests invited to the castle *before* the curse? What about Beast's parents? He had to learn how to be a spoiled snobby brat from somewhere, right? It could have been 10 years since they'd had a party just because the parents were boorish snobs or perhaps because some tragedy suddenly shunted their social life (like what happened in Frozen).

My bigger concern with Beauty and the Beast is...how do a group of villagers not know anything about a castle that's *obviously* within walking distance, and then, when they decide to raid the place, suddenly remember exactly where it is and how to get there. That's the plot hole I'm concerned about.

Which, if you're going to go all the way to NY to get it anyway, would kind of solve a world of problems because then neither of them would have had to worry about being in a shootout, since they'd be in New York, and not Hill Valley.

40. Beauty and The Beast-
I thought that in the song the word ten was used because it is one syllable and fits the song better. Twenty/Twenty one both add another syllable and wouldn't go well with the song. As for the painting, I thought the man was a male relative of the Beast whether the painting was his dad, brother, an uncle, older male cousin, or grandfather. Genetics would then explain that it's a family member.

If this were an actual investigation into the death of a man, then yes, just guessing for an answer to satisfy would not work. But this is a movie, and how the word was heard isn't important, so coming up with a solution that one can be comfortable with is the job of the audience.